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would most of us still be in the borg had....

by cptkirk in

the nwt been matthew through rev only?

btw, what is up with the login code word, mbator?

how did it know?.

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Nibbled look up Nehemiah Gordon on Torah Pearls and Truth to You. Also, Jim Staley, Michael Rood, 119 ministries. These guys do an awesome job on the feasts and sabbaths. They are all Messianic Hebrew scholars. Nehemiah is in Jeruselum and does the show with Jono from Australia and Keith Johnson in the US.

I don't believe there's any true religion out there for how could there be when the WHOLE world is lying in the power of the wicked one? But I found these guys to be alot closer than most. Jim Staley does a good job on Church Audit showing that you do not have to be in a religion to serve god. All these guys use only their bible and their knowledge of the culture, and the hebrew meanings yet take in the whole bible. They don't pluck a scripture here and there but take in the whole context, surrounding scriptures around that scripture.What an eye opener and yet so very simple. Never be lazy and say you don't believe for it takes work to study and that's what we love doing.

A friend of mine is lending me a book on the wedding ceremonies back in the culture back in the day and how it also resembled the wedding of the Christ and his brideclass. It feels really good to have a free open mind where noone will stone you to death for even reading other literature other than their own.

Hope this helps you

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They Are Just Like The Amish (But with Electricity)

by OnTheWayOut in

i was describing jehovah's witnesses to a family member who had no idea whatsoever about them.

i may be straightforward and describe things in terms i have learned since reading about cults, but i was not over the top in any way.

i was simply stating the facts in a way that did not try to put any positive spin on anything.. my family member said, "so they are basically the amish but with televisions and electricity.

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The Amish here are still allowed to have association with family members while excommunicated. It's sounding different in many places of what's exceptable and not. We have mennonites that came into the troof and their elderly. He still says the cross and calls the hall church. He'll babble for hours with one of his old mennonite buddies and make absolutely no sense. They refuse to own a tv or radio. They were studied with for over thirty yrs and finally got baptised fifteen years ago. They waited for last kid to leave and then sold their farm and got shunned by the congregation but still go to all their family reunions. He still wears his suspenders, wipes his snot on the back of your chair and when on the platform has his jacket wide open, thumbs in his pockets with his suspenders showing. He gives a prayer and his eyes are wide open looking at everyone. Use to be horse and buggy and went black car with black bumpers no chrome when he came in the troof. She still wears the flower print dresses and hair in a bun.

The women will talk but I have been fore warned that their husbands tell them we are trying to take them captive for they are weak. There's a scripture in the bible about that somewhere. They always took the creation brochure especially when you would ask them does it make sense that god would destroy the earth when it endured the flood from of old and he made it that it would constantly renew itself as well as the creation on it. I remember one time having to step over a dead sow in front of the door to go inside the house on a hot summer day. Another time I had to use their washroom and here it was an outhouse attatched to the back of the house and the shit was higher than the seat. I turned right around and went back out and almost puked. Pretty nasty times.

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would most of us still be in the borg had....

by cptkirk in

the nwt been matthew through rev only?

btw, what is up with the login code word, mbator?

how did it know?.

label licker

Isaiah 66:22,23 New heavens and earth. During the millinium Zechariah 14:16. Doesn't make sense we would have the old law and feasts back then and then Jehovah takes it away now and then gives it back to us in the millinium. When Jehovah said these are my feasts and to keep them indefinitely and then after harmeggedon and forever we keep them. Also, he would have told Mary, Martha and some of his desciples not to keep it but they had to get him into the ground for the next day was the sabbath. Day after he died.Next day was ffeast of unleaven bread and was a high sabbath. They bought the spices and then had to rest for the weekly sabbath.After his death. Why would they be resting if Jesus did away with it. So, if we don't have to keep the sabbath 4th commandment then we don't have to keep any of the rest. Ten years after Christs death, Peter was still keeping the dietary laws.Romans 3:31 tells us by faith we establish the law.

Every scripture in Psalms 119 is about the law. If we were to believe most of Christianity that we don't have to keep the sabbath of the bible because it is not specifically recommanded in the NT, then how do we interpret John when he says to keep the commandments of YHWH when there is no testament at that time to look through?It's the same commandments of the 1st centurey as it is today. The same when Jehovah started out. Acts 18:21 part of it was taken out of NWT and other bibles but in the KJ's bible Paul is saying he has to go to Jeruselum and KEEP THE FEAST. This is years after Jesus death.

Matthew 24:20 was also an endtime prophecy and yet if we're not keeping the sabbath why does Jesus say hope it doen't happen in the winter or on a sabbath?Jesus was constantly accused of breaking the sabbath and yet he never broke his fathers law. He said he kept it perfectly for if he would have broken the law then he wouldn't have been our Messiah. For he had to be sinless. If Jesus or Paul would have taught against it they would have been stoned to death. It was put down on stone, never to be erased. Nothing was prophesyed to end it. Acts 15:20'21. There's no way that Jesus, Paul or others were hypocrites by saying don't keep the sabbath and feasts and then they go and do it and it was kept way after Jesus death.

Society likes to pluck a scripture here and there for example the faithful and discreet slave but you have to read the whole context and you find out society had it wrong. Especially when Paul was saying no no you don't let any one judge you because of the sabbath or new moon. He was putting it across you keep it! To each their own but now I have a whole different understanding in following in Jesus footsteps closely and they are not burdensome. Lev 23 has the whole outline of how we are to keep Jehovah's laws and feasts. Sabbath is a blessing not a bondage.

Spring feasts have been fulfilled or in hebrew make rich and they are Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits and Pentecost

Fall feasts which are future prophecy to be fulfilled are Feasts of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Feast of Tabernacles. It's no coincedence that the feast of trumpets are called the lords day.That's when he comes back to do the judgeing. There's only two days that are the Lords day and that is Lord of the sabbath and when he comes again. Right after the vision that John saw on the Lord's day in Revelation, the next day a trumpet was blow and he hears a voice.

It took along time to get that witless mentality out of my mind. We were duped!!!!!!

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would most of us still be in the borg had....

by cptkirk in

the nwt been matthew through rev only?

btw, what is up with the login code word, mbator?

how did it know?.

label licker

If your saying no OT absolutely not. You can't understand the back of the bible without first reading the OT first. The greek weren't written yet when all these things were taking place. They could only rely on the Hebrew scriptures and quote from these. That's all they had. For instance the society fails to touch on all the feasts and sabbaths ect Leviticus 23. All of yahweh's appointed times with his followers line up with all the trumpets right through to Revelation.

Society says to follow in his footsteps closely but what did Christ do. How did he worship? Had he not kept his fathers laws and broken just one then the word would not have been perfect and Jesus would have sinned. We know he couldn't sin for he was made perfect.

Look up some hebrew scholars on line and just start with the first five books of the OT, the Torah. These teachers are way more closer to the truth than jw's. The ones we study from match the whole bible and not just the OT. It's like the veil has been lifted but to each his own.

I hope you have fun and a whole lot of success at finding what your looking for.

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Music Upon Your Exit

by RAYZORBLADE in

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friends

i know this topic has been touched upon from time to time.

i haven't been on here regularly in many years, but i know what it is like for many; or those that are on their way of exiting the organization.. what songs do you recall or remember during your exodus from the wtbts ??.

i left mentally in the late autumn of 1983; apparently (i don't know officially...but does it really matter?

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Elton John

Sorry seems to be the hardest words and don't know how to put the video on this thread. Can someone put it on for me? So beautiful

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The Cat in the Can

by Jim_TX in

funny story: .

every morning, i feed the cats outside.

i give them dry cat food, and also two small cans of cat food.

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That happened to a dog and it died. Another time up north a dog got a hold of a sharp can and kept licking it till it's tongue was bleeding and didn't stop. You could see the blood trail in the snow and at the end of that trail was the can. Raccoons hang out with ferrel cats and they've gotton into alot of mischief like their heads stuck in peanut butter jars. Be careful and be responsible and enjoy! Sounds like your having with fun with them. Listen to your wife.

We had a ferrel cat keeping warm and sleeping with the coons in the winter and then I started feeding her, then she knew what the inside of the house felt like and then she wouldn't leave us alone so I got her fixed and cleaned up and she rules the rotti. I named her Jezebel. I miss her friends that she would bring to the back door every night, seven baby coons. Now if I open up the door she pokes her head outside but won't go out.

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Why Do People Kill?

by minimus in

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friends

i know that killing has gone on since the beginning of time.. but i wonder why some people kill?.

are they typically screwy in the head?.

are they just angry at the world or their family member or their boss?.

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My niece lives with an investigator who's full time job is to investigate horrific crime scenes. When he comes home all he wants is to have his feet rubbed that he's no more in the door and after fifteen minutes he shuts down. I wonder what made him want to do the job he does. He doesn't have the killing instinct in him and yet he tries to make world a safer place and yet again he loves to investigate these crimes. That's got to mess with your head even more so than just going out to kill.

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What does Disfellowshiping really mean?

by nolongerconfused in

not sure if i spelled the word right, but:.

as some of you probably know i'm no longer active and have stopped attending etc...etc.... if one is disfellowshipped for whatever reason, including not agreeing with wtb doctrine...does the wtbs consider you worthy of death come armageddon?

i saw the trial transcript and that's what they believed in the 50's...anyone have any recent quote from their publications explaining how they see a disfellowshipped person?.

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We're not even disfellowshipped and I was reminded that a grade one student informed his teacher if you don't come to the kingdom hall you will be killed by Jehovah. So there's your answer out of the mouths of babes. Hubby just came in and told me that the guy who was fooling around on his wife and got reinstated, shortly after he got reinstated took a crobar and smashed his wifes lincoln in by hand, forged a legal document, goes after all the women who work for him, tells new guys he's about to hire that he doesn't hire guys whos dicks are bigger than his, never went to the meetings while df'd, came for one week during the co visit and even commented, was gone again and shortly after reinstated. Then his wife takes him back and she's allowed to pioneer two months after she moves back in with him. That's just one example and this came from people in the territory as well right from wifeys mouth. You tell me what disfellowshipping means.

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What is the most out of line / disturbing experience you have seen from Circuit Overseers?

by Poindexter Lionel Humperdique in

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i once heard of a circuit overseer blaming a loyal ministerial servant, that served as the accounts servant, of steeling from the contribution boxes, simply because he deposited the congregation funds bi-weekly instead of twice a week.

due to the accusation, the ms was immediately removed without hearing his side of the story.

isn't this rather counter-intuitive and innefficient?

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In pioneer school I had a co tell all of us that the co's are here for ONLY the elders, ms's and pioneers. That's it. If we have a problem with the elders to come see him.So we did and he said at the beginning of the week to just hang in there for there changes coming with our hall and by the end of that same week he said get it when you can and gave us two congregations to choose from so we left. At the annual pioneer meeting we had a DO that said the reason why all of us were here was because we were way more spiritual than the others that weren't pioneering. That was my first meeting and last! Since when was spirituality based on hours and comparisons? Then there was a co that was asked to leave an apartment building and he yelled back at this poor woman "when I'm done with this woman then I'll leave, you got that?" Then, he has the nerve that week to say from the platform how when asked to leave, you would leave quietly. He was also the same one that didn't turn down a waterballoon fight at parties held in public parks.

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They Are Just Like The Amish (But with Electricity)

by OnTheWayOut in

i was describing jehovah's witnesses to a family member who had no idea whatsoever about them.

i may be straightforward and describe things in terms i have learned since reading about cults, but i was not over the top in any way.

i was simply stating the facts in a way that did not try to put any positive spin on anything.. my family member said, "so they are basically the amish but with televisions and electricity.

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Hey smiddy that reminds me our one mennonite study we use to have also stated that they are not allowed to collect welfare as well since they are not allowed to vote.